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Mar 5, 2018 14:24:19 GMT
Post by greenbeetle on Mar 5, 2018 14:24:19 GMT
If anyone can join and benefit from an organization without contributing I think that organization may be subject to low quality members and a low participation rate.
The group will require funds.
Two reasons to think about dues for members. Even if its only a small, token amount.
Also, I like everything Joerg is pushing here but there may be larger stakeholders who shy away from the group if there is no screening for its members. Maybe I'm wrong... How does everyone feel about that? Perhaps the question is: "is this a group/organization or a movement?"
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Mar 5, 2018 14:32:30 GMT
Post by olorin on Mar 5, 2018 14:32:30 GMT
Well, for me, it's right now more a Movement. But if this is ongoing for a while it can be an Group! Because then we have more experiences and ideas where the journy will lead us.
But since yet, i dont see the point of funds. Sure if we want to outsurce (later) some videos on a extern Sites (maybe our own?) well then sure we could need some funds for the servers!
But as long this isnt planned or in work i don't see the use of funds, but maybe i dont see one thing that other people see for what we need money.
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Post by coffekanon on Mar 5, 2018 14:37:59 GMT
I'm not sure it's such a good idea.
One of the primary issues with regular trade and labour unions is the very fact that they collect monthly dues, but the top executives of the unions misappropriate the funds and tarnish the reputation and trust in the union itself by doing so.
A better idea would be to first identify what you need the funds for. Discuss it with the members, and then crowdfund the endavour so everyone knows where the funds go to.
So let's say that a proposal is made for staging an event at some concert hall and hold a conference and we need to raise funds to actually pay for the venue. Then you set up a crowdfunding campaing for that event, and people can decide to pitch in, and the management can see if there's enough financial support or not.
Merely taking peoples money as membership fees and retain full discretion of how it is spent is a slippery slope to creating a corrupt union.
At the very least, voluntary crowdfunding and similar fund raising techniques should be the primary mode of income in the beginning, so members can see if proper financial executives are appointed and that they handle the funds in a responsible and ethical manner.
Then later on when significant trust has been established, one could raise the question if people are aboard with paying regulars fees or dues.
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Mar 5, 2018 19:44:18 GMT
Post by maximgunn on Mar 5, 2018 19:44:18 GMT
Dues are legalized extortion, stay away from it at all costs. Our currency should be 'social capital'.
Also the fact that no one is being paid makes this a grassroots movement that has arisen from need and not just another insatiable bureaucracy trying to perpetuate itself.
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Post by 4thekore on Mar 5, 2018 19:50:14 GMT
I agree we have not made a service so there is no funds needed. Until we decide on a operation that's where we are.
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Mar 5, 2018 19:57:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 19:57:54 GMT
See... In hoping to try and get into contact with the leadership. With a lot of the techniques I know and use the union could actually pay it's top tier union members and not collect dues
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Mar 5, 2018 21:30:36 GMT
Post by sulla on Mar 5, 2018 21:30:36 GMT
This is something that should be put off as long as possible. When you start forcing people to pay it opens up a lot of other issues.
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Mar 6, 2018 1:13:51 GMT
Post by Mike Smithski on Mar 6, 2018 1:13:51 GMT
See... In hoping to try and get into contact with the leadership. With a lot of the techniques I know and use the union could actually pay it's top tier union members and not collect dues This isn't done for money. Money doesn't motivate people as much as a cause does.
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Mar 6, 2018 1:17:21 GMT
Post by maximgunn on Mar 6, 2018 1:17:21 GMT
See... In hoping to try and get into contact with the leadership. With a lot of the techniques I know and use the union could actually pay it's top tier union members and not collect dues Nice hat. Makes you look important.
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Mar 6, 2018 1:47:35 GMT
Post by gamegoblin on Mar 6, 2018 1:47:35 GMT
I'm in a Union myself. (Local 751 Aerospace Machinists) The word union is both spot on in this instance, yet wildly inaccurate. This is more so a collective movement, and not a true union. The international user base alone would be a logistical nightmare when bringing in legal council, add dues on top of that, and my very brain recoils in terror. Dues also bring with them a sense of expectation, and rightly so, because your shelling out hard earned cash with the promise of representation for both the collective and the individual.
To top it off, if your channel is monetized... the standard model my union goes by is about 45USD per paycheck, regardless of hours worked. So to compare this to a small time YouTuber making say, 50USD per payout cycle... Their take home at the end is severely diminished even if a union house only takes 20USD per pay cycle. I myself don't know the actual numbers post-monetization of a YT account, but to say the least, the return on work after having a union house take their cut would be a detriment to the cause.
TL;DR: Dues a bad idea, This is a movement for fairness on their platform.
Just my two cents.
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Mar 6, 2018 2:30:08 GMT
Post by ramshaka on Mar 6, 2018 2:30:08 GMT
If anyone can join and benefit from an organization without contributing I think that organization may be subject to low quality members and a low participation rate. The group will require funds. Two reasons to think about dues for members. Even if its only a small, token amount. Also, I like everything Joerg is pushing here but there may be larger stakeholders who shy away from the group if there is no screening for its members. Maybe I'm wrong... How does everyone feel about that? Perhaps the question is: "is this a group/organization or a movement?" Can't see any sort of dues as even remotely necessary at this point when it's nothing more than a "get the word out" movement, currently. That said, however, I can see a sort of "dues" system (no need for that to be any sort of money) being useful to clear the ranks of trolls, shit-posters, and agitators, on down the line. That is if it ever gets so large as to be an unmanageable mess. But to be clear, all I think would ever be necessary are some hurtles to clear, before just jumping into the fray, all willy nilly. As far as usable funds for the cause are concerned, should the ever be needed, I doubt ever needing anything beyond a patreon, or go-fund-me. And even then, it'd probably be wise to have tight caps on how much can be donated, to avoid massively exceeding whats needed.
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Mar 6, 2018 3:13:34 GMT
Post by solarseraph on Mar 6, 2018 3:13:34 GMT
Just to add consensus, I agree with most here.
We are not a true Union. No one is getting paid, and we do not need dues.
If anyone is causing disruptions, we'll let the powers at be handle them appropriately, as authority figures will naturally rise up over time.
If we do need funding (wouldn't it be amazing irony to advertise on YouTube?) then it should be raised at the given time with a voluntary crowd-sourced campaign.
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Mar 6, 2018 5:02:41 GMT
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Post by Joerg Sprave on Mar 6, 2018 5:02:41 GMT
Why do we need money? I don't see it.
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