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Post by monikamaier on Mar 3, 2018 18:13:04 GMT
Olorin, it's not about creating damage to YT by making users leave. That wouldnt work, I agree. It's about making Google afraid of really bad PR if channels leave because of unethical treatment. Remember "Don't be evil"? Google will want to avoid a bad reputation by all means...Especially if content creators threaten to join forces with their competitors and thus drawing public attention to them.
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Post by solarseraph on Mar 3, 2018 18:14:41 GMT
Alright olorin, you made a good point with some numbers. If you don't believe putting pressure on stakeholders through social media and traditional media would work, what is your proposed strategy? We're supposed to be a team here - don't just criticize, give us some alternatives to chew on.
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Post by olorin on Mar 3, 2018 18:23:29 GMT
I'm not saying it will not work, that is something you missunderstood. I Said we dont have to Power to go this way. If we want to put Pressure on YT we need at first many Person. Or do you think 6k People can compete agains Millions over Millions other Viewer?!
Which means, we have to spread the Idea! That we have to stay together against the problematic system of YT. The Creators alone cant do anything by themself. They need the the back up of the Users. But that is the Problem, the majority of the Viewers just consuming. They dont want a change. So we have to find the person who want a fair use of YT/Payment from YT.
But to rais the member Number so far that, YT recognize it or even be scared take TIME. This will not happen in 1-2 weeks.
With at least 500k People we can at least try to go into a dialogue with them. But before it, i don't see it happen that this will work. Look what happen around the last view years. Everytime YT changed anything MANY people Viewers/Creators said it that this doesnt work how they want it. There was always complainments about the YT system. And look what happen! NOTHING. which means, we need much much more people to even have some power.
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Post by monikamaier on Mar 3, 2018 18:32:01 GMT
Olorin, I see your point. My idea was not meant as a first step, but as a strategy to deploy as soon as a large enough number of channels are on board to make significant impact. As soon as we've got those numbers, threatening Googles reputation and creating public attention seems to be a better strategie than aiming at damaging YT by trying to reduce the number of viewers, which they probably wouldnt even recognize.
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Post by olorin on Mar 3, 2018 18:36:29 GMT
There is also a diffrent way to fight the YT system, BUT this means so much more work. We have to monitoring YT hardly. The whole demoniterizing failures we have to archive. Youtube always say, the Bot System only demoniterizing specific topics , like controverse stuff and so on. That means, archiving every single failure of this system and confront them with that or go to other medias like newspapers and so on. But this also doesnt work in just a couple of weeks and also means a lot of work.
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Post by olorin on Mar 3, 2018 18:38:30 GMT
Wait Monikamaier wasnt it you, who said we should Fake leave if we have enough people. So it was your idea of damaging YT by reducing the numbers, not mine. I only go further based on your idea and tell you why this isnt working that well.
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Post by monikamaier on Mar 3, 2018 18:45:46 GMT
Olorin, what I meant was: we should not publicy dismiss the option of leaving a priori. Like in "YouTube, if you dont meet our demands, we'll ask your competitors what they can offer". A negotiation strategy. Not trying to damage them by reducing the numbers.
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Post by timelord on Mar 3, 2018 18:51:38 GMT
Hi there, On the subject of starting somewhere... Only we can help this idea grow if we all do our little bit. Please share, like, retweet as you see fit and reach out to your own networks.
Much Love!
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Post by olorin on Mar 3, 2018 18:51:51 GMT
monikamaier, but this is also a damaging by reducing the numbers. Or do you just want them to believe we will leave without doing it anyway? In this case they will only do this once, after that they dont believe it anymore, which mean this will go on forever because this is no longer an option. So we have to grab them by the balls and work together with them. Showing where are the problems and work out better solution so they can stay in the game and maybe get better. It would be a Win/Win situation.
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Post by Mike Smithski on Mar 3, 2018 18:52:28 GMT
Of course we have to start somewhere,bigmonmulgrew. But chasing an illusion, doesn't bring us further. Let's be honest, we only have 6K people at FB and only 12 Person here (since yet) and even less person that brings in some ideas. How in da world we can fight the YT system that way? We need some people to do it. 85 members in a few hours. 7000 group members on FB in 24 hours. Give it time and don't be so negative. What's the alternative to chasing dreams? Sitting on a couch all your life?
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Post by John Q on Mar 3, 2018 18:56:17 GMT
I think we should gather followers over next week then stage some form of protest.
my idea we Hide our videos and boycott Youtube
meanwhile we also put out a create a video that requests people join us on the boycotting of Youtube and we put the video on twitter, instagram, facebook,Reddit,
First time we do this protest i would say we need to over 48 hours period so it shows in real time analytics it might scare other youtubers into joining us.
but we need more people for it to be effective
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Post by outdoorjo on Mar 3, 2018 18:57:32 GMT
We also need to be patient. This baby is two days old, it needs to learn to squawk then talk then walk and finally run. All this takes time and organisation. For instance, we will have no clue which way to go until we have some idea of how popular the Union will be, different numbers will mean slightly different tactics. It's about resources and in this fight, members are our resources.
We have to wait and see what ideas people come up with. It's all very well keep asking "what are we gonna do?" We need ideas and many of the big ideas people aren't here yet and many that are already here are biding their time until the kids have ceased playing 'fight me or I'll fight you' and have watched to see who the most positive people are, the people who are going to make this work, and who the most negative people are, the ones who will be less than helpful. Sizing up the assets as its called or 'taking stock'
There's going to be personality clashes and big egos that will want to play top dog and there will be those who will want to undermine all of the efforts here who have to be identified and isolated and all of that takes time. This was never going to be a quick fix, this will be the long haul but I agree to a great extent with monikamaier and others who advocate fighting fire with fire. If YT believe that we are able to influence the advertisers then they will start to listen. It's not about how many will leave It's about whether we can convince the media that enough will leave to make the shareholders / directors become jumpy about loss of advertising revenue. That's a whole different ballgame.
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Post by olorin on Mar 3, 2018 19:00:59 GMT
Of course we have to start somewhere,bigmonmulgrew. But chasing an illusion, doesn't bring us further. Let's be honest, we only have 6K people at FB and only 12 Person here (since yet) and even less person that brings in some ideas. How in da world we can fight the YT system that way? We need some people to do it. 85 members in a few hours. 7000 group members on FB in 24 hours. Give it time and don't be so negative. What's the alternative to chasing dreams? Sitting on a couch all your life? Im not negative my friend. But it's not the first Forum im on. And trust me many people maybe Sign in but much less people are online often and even less are actually active. Also i said chasing an Illusion not a dream. If we wouldnt chasing a dream we would be all here and try to find a way to fullfill it right?
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Post by Conjigutte on Mar 3, 2018 19:21:47 GMT
Show 'em you got nukes! (You don't have to use them...) best thing I have ever heard
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Post by monikamaier on Mar 3, 2018 19:37:47 GMT
Conjigutte, thank you;) There's a psychological aspect to every conflict. Understand your enemy's hopes and nightmares if you want to prevail. What is it that Google wants to avoid by all means? Being seen as an unethical company that thrives on the suffering of its business partners. A shift in public opinion might hurt them more than even the loss of all of YT's viewers. As soon as they are convinced content creators are so desperate that they no longer care and ready to wage full scale nuclear warfare against Google's reputation, ready to risk their own destruction, they'll give in.
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