Post by timelord on Mar 3, 2018 22:57:55 GMT
Hi there,
This thread has been created to assist the founder and members of this Union.
Your thoughts and ideas most welcome. Please try to stay on the topic.
And before you all start bashing me..... please note: I don't have all the answers, I do have several questions.
As I see it, apart from the plethora of algorithms and bugs being created by over coding where subscriptions disappear, bell notification not working as it should, number of views reduced etc...
As a you tube creator here are my four fears.
1) I get an unjust community strike
2) I have a video removed or made restricted
3) My videos are demonetization
4) My channel is shutdown
To extrapolate a little on the four fears.
Use Case 1 - Video Removed & Community Strike given
I make this great video and You Tube remove it and give me a community strike telling me I have violated a copyright.
The said copyright violation was made by a major news network stating that I did not have the right to display their logo in my video.
In my opinion I think I did not violate any copyright laws; the Fair Use Disclaimer was clearly visible for a duration of 8 seconds at the beginning.
And for educational purposes I used several logos but only one complained.
Use Case 2 - Video demonetized
One of my videos was demonetized, no explanation given.
OK... I think you get the idea I cannot think of all use cases but we together, can build, add, amend accordingly and collectively.
For each of the use cases and others how can this Union help?
As a You Tuber consumer here are a couple of use cases to get started. (Suggestion only)
Use Case 1
I watched a video that was released by a major news network and I felt it's content violated one of the YouTube Community Guidelines by misleading the general public. (See attachment)
![YTFlagAVideo.JPG (37.74 KB)]()
In this case the consumer can report this video to the union and union members can collectively go to the video and use the YT Report function to report it.
Can you imagine 6000 YouTubersUnion members flagging a video as "Spam or Misleading"?
The likes of FNN will have to stick to fake news on their own network channels.
Use Case 2 - Child Abuse
I have watched a video created by adults that use children to relay their sordid messages.
I believe this video is nothing short of child abuse, which is also a violation of the YT guidelines.
I raise the issue first with the Union, if it is agreed that a YT communities guideline has been violated the union can respond accordingly.
Anonymity is preserved.
In short there are YouTube Consumers and Creators.
Is it possible to get a comprehensive list of Use Cases for both Creators and Consumers?
This would help forge a charter for the Union.
How best can a Union like this serve the community of creators and consumers?
I would further, like to suggest the following...
The Union can also adopt a policy whereby the creator of a video first shares the video with certain members of the YouTubersUnion
for content validation.
One of two things can happen:
1) The video gets the approval by the Union for uploading to YouTube.
2) The creator is asked to amend parts of the video.
By doing this the union can and will be associated as "working in Harmony with YouTube".
A nice fancy splash screen at the beginning of the video reading
would be way cool and also be very conducive in expanding the Unions reach and popularity.
Finishing note.
I read through the Strategy thread and lots of valid personal opinions are given.
To give this Union a chance to grow, to be fair to YT consumers and creators as well as YT themselves is going to be quite a challenge.
Whilst many will come and go in this infancy stage of the Union a few will emerge that will take this subject very seriously.
A union is generally formed when a industry abuses people and the words "fair and just" are thrown out of the window.
The industry will always try to smash the union to fulfill it's own agenda.
A union works best when it works in harmony with the industry... and
An industry does well when it works in harmony with the union.
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Your thoughts and ideas most welcome...
Incidentally, how I would start is first to identify a group of people with at least 5 hours a week or more for this noble cause.
If this grows as it is proving....Joerg Sprave is going to need all the help he can get.
Personally, I have some time on my hands right now. I may not have as much time in the future.
Much Love!
This thread has been created to assist the founder and members of this Union.
Your thoughts and ideas most welcome. Please try to stay on the topic.
And before you all start bashing me..... please note: I don't have all the answers, I do have several questions.
As I see it, apart from the plethora of algorithms and bugs being created by over coding where subscriptions disappear, bell notification not working as it should, number of views reduced etc...
As a you tube creator here are my four fears.
1) I get an unjust community strike
2) I have a video removed or made restricted
3) My videos are demonetization
4) My channel is shutdown
To extrapolate a little on the four fears.
Use Case 1 - Video Removed & Community Strike given
I make this great video and You Tube remove it and give me a community strike telling me I have violated a copyright.
The said copyright violation was made by a major news network stating that I did not have the right to display their logo in my video.
In my opinion I think I did not violate any copyright laws; the Fair Use Disclaimer was clearly visible for a duration of 8 seconds at the beginning.
And for educational purposes I used several logos but only one complained.
Use Case 2 - Video demonetized
One of my videos was demonetized, no explanation given.
OK... I think you get the idea I cannot think of all use cases but we together, can build, add, amend accordingly and collectively.
For each of the use cases and others how can this Union help?
As a You Tuber consumer here are a couple of use cases to get started. (Suggestion only)
Use Case 1
I watched a video that was released by a major news network and I felt it's content violated one of the YouTube Community Guidelines by misleading the general public. (See attachment)
In this case the consumer can report this video to the union and union members can collectively go to the video and use the YT Report function to report it.
Can you imagine 6000 YouTubersUnion members flagging a video as "Spam or Misleading"?
The likes of FNN will have to stick to fake news on their own network channels.
Use Case 2 - Child Abuse
I have watched a video created by adults that use children to relay their sordid messages.
I believe this video is nothing short of child abuse, which is also a violation of the YT guidelines.
I raise the issue first with the Union, if it is agreed that a YT communities guideline has been violated the union can respond accordingly.
Anonymity is preserved.
In short there are YouTube Consumers and Creators.
Is it possible to get a comprehensive list of Use Cases for both Creators and Consumers?
This would help forge a charter for the Union.
How best can a Union like this serve the community of creators and consumers?
I would further, like to suggest the following...
The Union can also adopt a policy whereby the creator of a video first shares the video with certain members of the YouTubersUnion
for content validation.
One of two things can happen:
1) The video gets the approval by the Union for uploading to YouTube.
2) The creator is asked to amend parts of the video.
By doing this the union can and will be associated as "working in Harmony with YouTube".
A nice fancy splash screen at the beginning of the video reading
This video has been approved
by The You Tubers Union
for viewing
on You Tube
would be way cool and also be very conducive in expanding the Unions reach and popularity.
Finishing note.
I read through the Strategy thread and lots of valid personal opinions are given.
To give this Union a chance to grow, to be fair to YT consumers and creators as well as YT themselves is going to be quite a challenge.
Whilst many will come and go in this infancy stage of the Union a few will emerge that will take this subject very seriously.
A union is generally formed when a industry abuses people and the words "fair and just" are thrown out of the window.
The industry will always try to smash the union to fulfill it's own agenda.
A union works best when it works in harmony with the industry... and
An industry does well when it works in harmony with the union.
Your thoughts and ideas most welcome...
Incidentally, how I would start is first to identify a group of people with at least 5 hours a week or more for this noble cause.
If this grows as it is proving....Joerg Sprave is going to need all the help he can get.
Personally, I have some time on my hands right now. I may not have as much time in the future.
Much Love!