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Post by Mike Smithski on Mar 3, 2018 13:21:38 GMT
Please list your issues with Youtube for future analisys.
Please adhere to the following format:
Issue:
Effect:
Example (if available):
Potential solution:
Thank you and I hope for a productive discussion around this subject.
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Post by crul on Mar 3, 2018 13:33:21 GMT
Issue: Views and subscribers threshold to activate monetization.
I understand there is a minimum ammount to make the first payment, so youtube doesn't really pay you before you accumulate certain quantity. But I see no problem allowing creators to activate the monetization earlier.
Those first euros (or dollars or whatever) are really a great feeling when you're starting.
Effect: It's harder for small channels to start making money.
Potential solucion: Allow creators to activate monetization as soon as posible even if they aren't really paid before some threshold.
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Post by General Jack Ripper on Mar 3, 2018 13:42:32 GMT
Issue: Youtube Algorithim de-listing videos. Effect: Legitimate educational content is effectively censored. Example (if available):  Potential solution: Stop automating censorship. Allow the audience and userbase to police itself, with an open appeals process. |
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Post by afterdarkanalysis on Mar 3, 2018 15:37:41 GMT
Issue: bells becoming "unrung" and being forcibly unsubscribed from creators and/or not being allowed to unsubscribe form some creators
Effect: videos aren't getting views and subscriber counts are artificially lowered or inflated
Example (if available): Plenty given in the Facebook group and I made a separate thread asking for incidents. But to be specific my husband has been repeatedly unsubscribed from Daym Drops and re-subscribed to Epic Meal Time.
Potential solution: I'd like to start logging these incidents if possible to see if there is a pattern. Basically all I'd need is the channel you were unsubbed from and some kind of identification (name, nickname, username, string of numbers) something I can associate with YOU for logging purposes. A rough date of discovery also couldn't hurt.
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Post by hawkticus on Mar 3, 2018 17:44:22 GMT
Issue: Being Throttled when you're demonetized
Effect: Exactly what it sounds like. When Youtube put the new monetization rules in place, they stopped promoting videos that aren't monetized, thus making even getting to the monetization level next to impossible.
Possible Solution: Simply promote all videos fairly or just let everyone be monetized.
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Post by on Mar 3, 2018 18:18:03 GMT
issue: the new updates
example: the new bell thing always takes you to the video (if you have commented something)
possible solution: get the old notification system back
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Post by outdoorjo on Mar 3, 2018 19:46:54 GMT
Issue: As a subscriber, my issues are very different from most on here. Due to what's happening, many of the channels I subscribe to are changing in order to conform,
I can't and don't blame them, after all, they are trying to put food on the table.
Effect: The effect however is that the content gets dumned down or changed entirely and if we're not careful, the whole of youtube will be stuffed with same same boring cideos with all the edgy and exciting content gone.
Example (if available): I'd rather not to be honest. I don't want to draw attention to any one channel.
Potential solution: Get back to the self policing ways of the early youtube where intervention only came in if laws were broken. People aren't stupid, if they don't like something, they will vote with their keyboard and leave, it sorts itself out more often than not.
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Post by WalcomS7 on Mar 4, 2018 0:33:12 GMT
Issue: Dislike button can be weaponized via Bots to pull your videos off of suggestions. Effect: Kills your videos views, no matter how many it has before it happens, thousands of dislikes instantly on a video will completely pull it from Suggestions. Example: imgur.com/a/QTc8B#GfRXcTgPotential Solution: Stop weighing Dislikes/Likes in a video's suggestion rating. |
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Post by valsnoisytoys on Mar 4, 2018 11:01:22 GMT
Issue: Valid watch time being thrown out I've found two ways based on my own channel data:
1. Some browser privacy extensions cause watch time to not be accrued.
2. Watching via a playlist - if you don't interact the "correct" way, most of the watch time is just discarded by YouTube.
Effect: Decisions being made based on watch time are flawed because the data is inaccurate. Example (if available): Visit With Val - Outline: The Iceberg Of Missing Watch Time :: 17Feb2018Potential solution: 1. Watch time should be calculated on the YouTube's side, NOT client side (vulnerable to hacking).
2. Using a playlist as *gasp* a playlist shouldn't require viewers to do handsprings in order for the bot to recognize it's a person watching. |
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Post by approximately on Mar 9, 2018 19:21:09 GMT
Issue: I had been deleted, though I did not recieve 3 or more strikes on any of my channel, 2 being Brand Accounts.
Effect: My almost 2-years of YouTubing had been lost, all my subscribers and views also lost.
Potential solution: Appeal, though as of now I have no response.
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Post by maximgunn on Mar 11, 2018 0:18:48 GMT
Issue: Social media monopolies actively targeting and silencing political opponents.
Effect: Unbalanced reporting in major outlets, marginalization and trivialization of independent news will cause disillusionment in the democratic system.
Solution: Get out while you still can.
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Post by glizcaldo on Mar 11, 2018 11:25:27 GMT
Issue: Small channels widely go unnoticed and bigger channels get more and more.
Effect: Stunts (or incompletely stops) growth of small channels that may have great potential. On a personal level, it can make people no longer interested in creating their videos if there's no one to see it. If this continues if the popular channels get bigger and bigger, while the small channels get smaller and smaller. I assume the most extreme effect of this is that when the popular channels disappear, no one's there to be YouTube's 1%. YouTube will have no one popular to carry their website if it's really the big, popular channels that keep YouTube alive.
Example: I know it's lazy to use myself, but I have been making videos for a very long time (7 years in September, 10 years total from older channels). I haven't just sat on my channel and expected views to come. I got over five-hundred videos, my most popular are royalty-free content that I allow people to not even feel the need to credit me. So it's not that my channel has never been of use to anyone and I'm sure that there's plenty hidden gems in the "YouTube rough" as it were. Just waiting to get noticed. Personally, I feel not very inclined to make videos or to make time for it, because I don't see much fruits to bare after so much work is put into one video.
Potential solution: When I went to Steemit to make a DTube account, I found an interesting tag. There's a button where you deliberately search lesser known blogs to find new creators. What YouTube could do is add a button that searches for videos and channels based off of subscriber count. The button should find channels with 0-1000 subscribers and show their most popular videos from their channel. Why is the threshold a thousand? Because of that new YPP that made that the minimal and choosing the most viewed video of one's channel should gain new subscriber's interests. We can go further and make another tag for people about to make it to get the first play button trophy. So there can be tags that go from: small channel, about to get the silver button, about to get gold, about to get diamond and about to get ruby. At least through this way you can find people who're in these categories and hell, why not point out someone's about to make a milestone in their channel.
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Post by maximgunn on Mar 12, 2018 4:31:08 GMT
That's an interesting avenue I haven't considered before... The ol' rich get richer argument applies on YT because the system is rigged. Every single day I log into YT and find a button that will get me subscribed to Pewdiepie... Why? Why is that there? Do I watch him all the time and so it's just a helpful suggestion? The answer is, I have NEVER seen more then 2 minutes of a Pewdiepie video in my life and so it's absolutely clear that they're actively stacking the deck against small channels... Why, who knows?
I'd like to propose that an algorithm that ignores the size of channels would be a good step forward. Maybe even a preference on small but liked?
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Post by wrestlingambassador on Mar 15, 2018 5:24:42 GMT
Issue:shadow demonetisation
Effect:Earning far less than I should, even though 0 videos of mine are currently "yellow hit".
Potential solution:How about fix it, to the extent where it's not as bad?
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Post by bertel12 on Mar 15, 2018 14:40:13 GMT
Issue: YT not reviewing new channels with more than 4000 watch hours and 1000 subscribers. They are not doing something, they say they would do. New channels are still waiting 4 months + to get their monetization approved. Effect: New YT channels losing thousands of dollars. Loss of motivation. Frustration. Uncertainty. Inability to compete for views with big channels which were monetized from day 1
Example: Many new channels, including second channel of Cody from Cody's Lab Please see the thread about this issue.
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