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Post by spartacus on Mar 4, 2018 22:09:19 GMT
Am I over sensitive, or does the FB group look a bit out of whack now that posting has been disabled and only a number of sub4sub posts and a demand to move to Reddit is floating to the top?
IMHO this is rather discouraging for creators with larger sub counts... like I said I might be oversensitive, but I was about to start inviting colleagues with serious impact and then I held back because the group discussion was going in the direction of; "hey let's all share subs and then we'll all be over 1,000 subs..."
Joerg's posts are great, but it needs even more substantive posts with serious contribution at the top from others as well... preferably from folks that are respected by other creators. Unfortunately this is moving fast and it needs to move in the right direction... our attention spans are short.
As I said maybe I'm oversensitive, but I think we need more substantiated information in the group fast that grounds the effort.
Anything I can do to help... I could for instance give you guys some historical financial stats regarding how creator income has changed in the last 7 years to support the arguments.
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Post by hawkticus on Mar 4, 2018 22:24:48 GMT
Theres a reason i moved over here, Facebook is actually a rather poorly designed site for conversing (rather ironically) and i feel the forum should be better.
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Post by gamegoblin on Mar 4, 2018 22:37:39 GMT
Considering how FB has been acting toward groups lately... I would be remiss to rely on their platform for any meaningful duration. But I agree Mr. Spartacus, we need substantual information and solid grounding before reaching for the clouds. Raw data and numbers before feels... just my 2 cents.
~Game Goblin~
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Post by outdoorjo on Mar 5, 2018 1:04:19 GMT
Agreed. FB is not the best place for us, as I said in one of the topics that got removed, we're kind of in the Lions Den on FB and there is an army of 'disruptors' who live there on a semi permanent basis.
If and when FB gets wind of the upsurge of a quasi powerful group, it will send them in to do their jobs.
We call them the 'Ah but' brigade. You find them a lot on political pages / groups. They are the ones who, if anyone suggests a course of action, will be straight in there with the " Ah but we can't do that because..." and will then reel off a list of reasons why what's being proposed is a really bad idea. They pretty much ensure that courses of action are nipped in the bud.
Another of their tricks is to ingratiate themselves with the group owner who then of course makes them admins. They will then proceed to delete threads and ban members willy-nilly until the group turns into yet another ineffective echo chamber.
It might well be an idea to concentrate efforts on the Forums and just use the FB group to guide traffic here. We amy also be able to recruit from Twitter and other SN sites.
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Post by Joerg Sprave on Mar 5, 2018 7:35:44 GMT
It was probably a mistake to choose Facebook, but I did not expect THAT kind of a reaction. We'll soon have 10000 members... too much for Facebook obviously.
I will keep up my daily "sticky" update for a while, then, when things return to normal, carefully allow some selected posts. But more than max. 2 or 3 a day is risky as people will feel spammed.
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Post by spartacus on Mar 5, 2018 7:49:17 GMT
I think choosing Facebook was exactly right... that way you have a group with public visibility that is easy to join and, like you said in the video, it hits them where it hurts. We just need to support you to get the right content out. But I think you need to act very, very fast to clean it up so that the 'face' of this movement become attractive again.
My suggestion would be to do exactly what you're saying - start posting two to three times a day with serious content that's on topic. However, you will never be able to do that on your own, you'll need an editorial group that feeds you with content. You'll also need support to manage the publishing. I'm happy to help in any way I can.
If you like I can provide some material in a bit about how the creator income on YouTube has changed, showing how essential this is. I also have data form 2016 showing how much of YouTube's income was coming from small creators - I could try to update that with 2017 data to show the dramatic change. That would be two great posts that are right on topic.
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Post by Joerg Sprave on Mar 5, 2018 9:12:14 GMT
spartacus, that would be excellent!
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Post by spartacus on Mar 5, 2018 10:03:51 GMT
Jörg, I have to run some errands for the next hours - I'll try to get you stuff by late afternoon.
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