sulla
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Post by sulla on Mar 5, 2018 21:43:46 GMT
I keep seeing people suggest Youtube is afraid of loosing creators. But I do not think this is really correct.
1. Youtube knows you have no other place to go. And they know this will not change any time soon.
2. Youtube knows there are more creators than number of views. The only thing that would change if a big creator gets banned or leaves is their views would go to other people. Lack of content is not a Youtube problem.
We have almost no bargaining power with Youtube using this style of threat. The union would have to have a huge number of Youtubers as part of it to have any chance at all of this kind of threat working on Youtube.
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Post by Mike Smithski on Mar 6, 2018 1:12:39 GMT
The snowball effect is real and works both ways. All it takes is a few large channels moving to a similar platform with an accessible website for the userbase to familiarise themselves with the other website.
People are more than happy to use various video websites and they do so daily - Youtube, Liveleak, all the xxx sites etc...
The primary reason for the union is to talk as a group with Youtube to fix things together, not to band together to plan a jump to another platform. Not yet, at least.
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Post by maximgunn on Mar 6, 2018 1:28:48 GMT
All we want is a seat at the table, that's not much to ask considering their entire business is completely reliant on what we do, or do not do. Absolute power in this regard is merely a matter of organization.
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chy
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Post by chy on Mar 6, 2018 2:15:50 GMT
I want the Union. New Member Here and talking to others to join.
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sulla
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Post by sulla on Mar 6, 2018 2:19:41 GMT
The snowball effect is real and works both ways. All it takes is a few large channels moving to a similar platform with an accessible website for the userbase to familiarise themselves with the other website. People are more than happy to use various video websites and they do so daily - Youtube, Liveleak, all the xxx sites etc... The primary reason for the union is to talk as a group with Youtube to fix things together, not to band together to plan a jump to another platform. Not yet, at least.Th Well there cant be a snow ball effect as there is no place to go that is even close to Youtube at the moment. There are a lot of people that would be moving already if there was. And I am not suggesting moving clearly as I do not believe there is a place to go. What I am talking about is those on the forums that have mentioned threatening to leave Youtube as leverage to get them to talk to us. And my point is that tactic should NOT be used as it is not believable to Youtube. Hopefully this changes in the future. |
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Post by Joerg Sprave on Mar 6, 2018 6:18:27 GMT
YouTube holds a monopoly for parts of the FreeVoD market. They will try to protect it at all cost. If we can make it into the media with our movement and apply measures that in tendency strengthen the competition (however marginal they now seem), then YouTube may listen. The more momentum we can gather the more likely it is that they will recognize us.
Sure, right now we are still small and it may take a long time before we can actually change things. The road is long, winding and very bumpy. But we shall prevail.
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sulla
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Post by sulla on Mar 6, 2018 7:22:11 GMT
YouTube holds a monopoly for parts of the FreeVoD market. They will try to protect it at all cost. If we can make it into the media with our movement and apply measures that in tendency strengthen the competition (however marginal they now seem), then YouTube may listen. The more momentum we can gather the more likely it is that they will recognize us. Sure, right now we are still small and it may take a long time before we can actually change things. The road is long, winding and very bumpy. But we shall prevail. I really wish there was a strong competitor to Youtube. There is a chance Amazon might be getting into the market that would help. www.theverge.com/2017/12/20/16802986/amazon-amazontube-opentube-trademark-filing-google-echo-show-feudAny way I hope for the best. And I agree the media and publicity in general is probably our most important tool. |
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Post by coffekanon on Mar 6, 2018 20:04:19 GMT
I think it's pretty evident that youtube doesn't fear losing creators.
However, I think they should be more afraid than they are of losing creators, because their business model can definitely survive losing a couple of opinionated advertisers. But youtube has nothing to offer advertisers if creators leave the platform altogether.
Also, I think it's a false assumption that content creators have nowhere else to go. Especially if a Union like this forms in earnest. Because if the Union carries enough view-bringing content creators who will all back up a collective decision the Union makes, then not only can the Union threaten to leave youtube. The Union can also negotiate terms and payment with another platform.
The problem with the current competing platforms is that they don't have enough famous and view-bringing content creators to compete with youtube.
But if a Union pledged to take their content creators to one of these competing platforms, then they would stand to gain a lot of money from advertisers.
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sulla
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Post by sulla on Mar 6, 2018 21:00:36 GMT
I think it's pretty evident that youtube doesn't fear losing creators. However, I think they should be more afraid than they are of losing creators, because their business model can definitely survive losing a couple of opinionated advertisers. But youtube has nothing to offer advertisers if creators leave the platform altogether. Also, I think it's a false assumption that content creators have nowhere else to go. Especially if a Union like this forms in earnest. Because if the Union carries enough view-bringing content creators who will all back up a collective decision the Union makes, then not only can the Union threaten to leave youtube. The Union can also negotiate terms and payment with another platform. The problem with the current competing platforms is that they don't have enough famous and view-bringing content creators to compete with youtube. But if a Union pledged to take their content creators to one of these competing platforms, then they would stand to gain a lot of money from advertisers. Youtube/Google also has an advantage in lower bandwidth costs, the largest ad network in the world, huge amounts of cash and a search engine monopoly. |
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