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Post by outdoorjo on Mar 3, 2018 19:28:43 GMT
But i have to say, sure there are small Creators who doesnt make money of it or doesnt want to make money with it. But this also mean, they arent really included in this game at least, only partial. I have not seen any exclusions from Joerg yet, neither have I seen anyone suggest it. I'm not a content creator, I'm a subscriber who believes passionately in the right to demand a level playing field for our creators, be they massive or tiny. This isn't about how much you make, this is about having the opportunity to grow using the content you wish to include that your subscribers wish to see. It's damned hard work, I know that, no one ever said it would be a quick or easy buck but for those who are prepared to put the effort in, they should be afforded the opportunity to get bigger without the ban hammer coming down on them at the whim of a bot. I see no reason why we cannot bring vast numbers of subscribers like me and many many of the smaller content providers along with us. If this is to run anywhere near a successful campaign then the only exclusions should be those who have joined to deliberately derail our efforts, and believe me, they will come, we need to be ready for that but those aside, I see no reason to exclude people just because they do not provide content or have very small channels. |
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Post by olorin on Mar 3, 2018 19:36:04 GMT
outdoorjo my friend.
Maybe i choose the wrong words here.
Sure they are a part of this Union if they want to. I'm only a Subscriber who wants a fair use of YT.
what i mean was, small creator that doesn't make money, arent fully included in the demoniterize game. Sure if they want to rais and want to make money of it we also have to fight for them to make it happen.
But if they just want to creat Content without the money, well in this case for sure they can easily switch the platform. Doenst mean they cant fight with us.
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Post by AnCap on Mar 3, 2018 19:39:54 GMT
But in case you just need to do content without the Mazuma, you can safely transform the stage. They can not fight with us. DISGUSTING! What is this very military-like behaviour? This fightish stuff? "They can not fight with us" - srsly?  |
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Post by unluckyeddy on Mar 3, 2018 20:51:22 GMT
Sadly there isn't another platform that can match YT at the moment either. in what terms Eddy? I think there are platforms out there that have everything and more, but the viewership. I've tried using other sites such as Daily Motion and Live Leaks and they don't seem to have the video quality that YT has. |
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Post by Mike Smithski on Mar 3, 2018 21:57:45 GMT
in what terms Eddy? I think there are platforms out there that have everything and more, but the viewership. I've tried using other sites such as Daily Motion and Live Leaks and they don't seem to have the video quality that YT has. I suppose only Vimeo has matching video quality but is very costly. |
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Post by ramshaka on Mar 3, 2018 22:36:51 GMT
Personally, I see the problem with switching to variants being what is effectively ignoring the core issue. Youtube went on for several years, devoid of the issues it's now struggling with, and now that it has been beset with these issues, we're effectively talking about starting over, with a smaller variant site. While that's a potential "quick fix" for things, the very same issues will only arise within the new platform, as it starts to gt the added attention, and ad dollars. Perhaps it's true that Youtube is already lost too though. It's certainly been going down this path for a while, and I'm not sure how far is too far. Of course though, I miss the old days when it was all webcams, people getting their own internet platform was a novel idea, and no one ever dreamed you could make a living with it. But that's just me pining for 'glory days' like a Springsteen song, or some such nonsense. Don't be so dramatic and negative. Other platforms have fallen in the past, people moved elsewhere and advertisers followed. I'm not trying to being dramatic, or negative. I'm simply trying to look at the issue objectively/realistically without romantic notions, of how much support we actually have/will have here, or of being able to have equitable success elsewhere with any ease, or that actually being any sort of a permanent fix. The size, and scope of Youtube is unprecedented, as a media format/platform. Only in the last 5 years, or so, has Youtube even been recognized as a serious competitor to old school media formats. This isn't like any other issue that ever occurred prior, throughout the extraordinarily fickle history of the internet. The size, and scope of Youtube, and Google is such to compete, and potentially replace old school media outlets, and their ad base noticed. This is the root of the issue, as the advertisers are coming in large scale, only recently, and with equally large content expectations. These last few years are seeing big names in advertisements, for the first time. All of a sudden, we're beset with censorship issues. Coincidence, or not, in your mind?If it's not set as some sort of precedent now that it's unacceptable for creators/users to be totally beholden the advertisers wishes to appeal to the largest group of people possible on the internet, any other format, or alternative, will face the same issue, and ultimately lose, because advertisers just continue to follow the same model, that has worked for them in the past, and they'll have a MUCH bigger platform, at their disposal, to weaponize against any competition, in one Youtube. Alternative sources that may have a dramatic twist in the story of online media, are those that utilize crypto-currency mining, but that's all really speculative at this point. On an optimistic side note though, and what might seem like a curve ball, has anyone thought to try contacting Porn Hub? Might sound like a joke, but if anyone's the leading expert on how to keep monetizing controversial subject matter, and how to circumvent censorship, they're the ones to inquire. |
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Post by stealthymonk on Mar 4, 2018 1:41:58 GMT
A centralised platform is the current problem and will also be the future problem should creator migrate to another centralised paradigm.
This prehistoric model only serves one purpose - to keep control of many in the hands of the few.
A simple solution already exists. I'm speaking of the most innovative and economical way ever conceived to transfer massive data - p2p.
A p2p system by where each individual user forms part of the file storage and server load. Your upload ability will form part of other people's download requirement.
Consider this - YouTube has got to be the largest server ever devised in human history - its bandwidth requirements far exceed imagination with current loads running at:
As per Youtube stats, 1 hour of video is being uploaded every second, so 2.4 GB of video is uploaded every second.
* 86400 seconds/day = 207.36 TB / day
* 365 days/year = 75.686 PB / year
So there you go. Approximately 76 PB of video data is stored in Youtube every year.
There is one other server that is greater than this astronomical leviathan - us. Our connections combined on a p2p network dwarf the YouTube behemoth.
p2p is the only REAL way to be free from censorship - so you wont find it surprising that the p2p protocol meets resistance everywhere.
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Post by sulla on Mar 4, 2018 1:54:28 GMT
I agree Youtube is on a scale that can not be replicated as it just has to many advantages. Google purchased large amounts of fiber early on and that greatly reduces their bandwidth cost. They have the largest ad network in the world so Youtube part of a bigger picture that helps make it viable. Not to mention the other advantages like owning the most popular search engine in the world.
-So Youtube is not going to be dethroned and they know it. They know they are holding all of the power.
-Other options are nice for backup videos but they will never replace Youtube.
-The only thing that might change this is if the US and other governments got involved for better or worse. Google and the other tech giants are monopolies at this point and killing other startups etc.
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