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Post by orcpawson on Mar 3, 2018 21:02:30 GMT
Seeing some of the things going on in the facebook group, it's no wonder Joerg moved things over here.
I woke up this morning and decided to throw a video together talking about some things I saw there, and general concerns I think we should have.
Of course, I'll give a brief run-down here, in case anyone accuses me of "shilling" my channel by sharing this video here (so you don't have to watch it, if you don't want to):
--I think we should be careful about making videos that are explicitly focused on pointing viewers at youtube's competitors; I am not SURE, but I think that *could* be considered a TOS issue (on youtube's whim).
--Some might recall that last year, Styxhexenhammer666 also had an initiative to unite creators, during the adpocalypse; nowhere near on the same level as Joerg's initiative now, but there were some lessons that we can learn from that
--In relation to the above, we might wanna be careful about mass subscribing to each other, as has been suggested over in the FB group... it didn't work out last year
--A group like that one over on facebook lends itself to be infiltrated; I go into a few ways I think this may have happened (pro-tip: people demonstrably slandering certain big youtubers is probably a bad sign.)
--Then for mostly the second half of the video I go into politics... so you can take that or leave it.
(I also mispronounce "Sprave" as "Sparve" the whole time... es tut mir Leid, Joerg... I suck at German anymore.)
PS-- youtube gave me a couple different error messages when trying to upload this; wouldn't save, wouldn't publish until I refreshed page (at which point all the stuff I entered in the description box vanished,) and still won't let me add my end cards. What a bunch of crap... arg.
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Post by olorin on Mar 4, 2018 6:29:25 GMT
I understand the idea behind mass subscribing but i dont really agree with that kind of stuff.
But i have to say, i don't really now the rules of YT how the monetization actually work so be patient if i say something wrong im just a viewer!
I guess some people believe if they match the monetization Rules (1000 subscribers,4000 hrs viewtime in the last 12 month), the can force or put pressure on YT, to pay them.
But i see a big problem with that. Because it doesnt change the YT-Bot-System at all, also i believe there are plenty person in it, who just want more Subscriber and doing it because of the money.
What is the actually benefits of it, if you have more Subscriber but not the views? It doesnt work like that if im not wrong.
The other point i want to talk about is, sure we can be focused on YT competitors no question about it. But honestly, how will this change anything in a good way?
Most YT competitors aren't have a big standard like YT. You have to pay for it to upload good quality videos, you dont get money out of it and so on. Isn't that a step back?
Didnt we want to fight for a fair use of YT and good possiblity for payments?
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Post by maximgunn on Mar 4, 2018 6:57:47 GMT
Oh no! If we complain about YT then they'll kick us off YT?!?!
That's the entire point of a union. If one of us go, we all go. It's brilliant and Joerg should be commended for his resolute bravery and leadership.
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Post by orcpawson on Mar 4, 2018 8:15:31 GMT
Oh no! If we complain about YT then they'll kick us off YT?!?! That's the entire point of a union. If one of us go, we all go. It's brilliant and Joerg should be commended for his resolute bravery and leadership. Or they'll just kick every single one of us, and thank us for self-consolidating into a nice unified packet. Are you shill for them? |
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Post by olorin on Mar 4, 2018 8:42:09 GMT
Isnt this group for fighting agains the YT system to make better condition for all of us? Fair usement and payment?
So why should we give a fuck about that they could kick us all? What they wouldnt do that easy but nevermind.
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Post by maximgunn on Mar 4, 2018 8:48:01 GMT
If you're scared, I can call you a whaaaambulance.
I'm a shill? I'm not the one trying to convince people to give their lunch money to the bully. I've been kicked off most social media and I wear it like a badge of honour. Only betas cry into their soy over such trivial things.
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Post by olorin on Mar 4, 2018 8:56:22 GMT
And what was your benefits of it or better said what did you won with that?
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Post by mgedawn on Mar 4, 2018 9:32:18 GMT
Wow... thanks for the insight why they say the first 1k are the hardest, at least.
Here's a tip; I wouldn't be investing what little free time/money I have into going through the process of filing for my LLC if I wasn't making YouTube a serious endeavor. Hell, I wouldn't have been taking video editing into account as something that a replacement rig needs to be able to do when my primary went down (which is why I personally haven't uploaded anything; can't control dead equipment) if I wasn't making YouTube a serious endeavor.
On the flipside, you have a lot of very good points and very calm, collected reasoning. Good on you.
P.S.- On my last upload, that mirror of Joerg's call to arms video, I had to import the end cards from another of my videos and then proceed to edit it in order to get that to work. So consider this confirmation that you weren't going crazy, and other people are experiencing similar difficulties
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Post by valsnoisytoys on Mar 4, 2018 10:38:39 GMT
I agree with the points in the video * Yes, I also recall reading something about uploading videos directing traffic away from YouTube being problematic and causing those channels issues. * While the intent is good, I do agree that sub for sub is also problematic. I am subbing to fellow creators in the Union whose content I will check out and watch, but I won't be doing sub for sub for the reason that orcpawson talks about in the video. I ask that others do the same for me - sub if you enjoy my content, but not otherwise.  P.S. 36 hours ago I also had issues with adding end screens and editing positions of cards. That, however was fixed when I tried again this past evening at around 10pm. |
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Post by geobelmont on Mar 4, 2018 11:11:58 GMT
Oh no! If we complain about YT then they'll kick us off YT?!?! That's the entire point of a union. If one of us go, we all go. It's brilliant and Joerg should be commended for his resolute bravery and leadership. Or they'll just kick every single one of us, and thank us for self-consolidating into a nice unified packet. Are you shill for them? I doubt you tube would kick everyone, but if they did then they'd probably only kick channels that post videos. Those who just use youtube to watch videos subscribe to channels would probably be fine since they wouldn't be on youtube's radar |
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Post by maximgunn on Mar 4, 2018 12:36:51 GMT
Booting us out would be the worst thing they could do! It forces a huge chunk of members to find and settle into one of their rivals.
For all of our complaints and bile, we're still money in the bank.
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Post by thetickrules on Mar 4, 2018 17:44:04 GMT
It was entirely in a different context I heard the example but think of blockbuster. For those of us 30+ people blockbuster was our weekend for our teen years. Then Netflix smashed them into oblivion. I guarantee you blockbuster thought they were an American institution and we'll be fine.
While admittedly youtube is the giant in the playground and no video sharing competitor can match them (yet) they are not on a throne nobody can challenge. Plus if they attack the union the PR would be disastrous.
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Post by 4thekore on Mar 4, 2018 22:08:36 GMT
This needs to be a two path plan group A fighting for rights and B group building the replacement. We have all the focus on A and keep B hidden. We need our own platform to be a button press away. One person said 65 million is the breaking point. I don't think we will hit that but we can build something great.
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