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Post by Mr. E on Mar 4, 2018 2:51:54 GMT
So I won't be giving my username, but I am a successful channel that has roughly 600k subs and average 2-6 million views per video. And have some questions I'd like answers to... if I decide to join.
Who are the current and future leaders of this union and why?
What qualifies one for this position?
What benefit do I get?
Why do you hate 3rd party funding so much?
Where the platform has over 50 million active accounts do you think you'll be able to gather enough people to your group to have any influence at all?
Would leaders be willing to sign a written contract that they agree to work exclusively to the benefits of members?
There seems to be alot of outrage, and claims of being able to move mountains... But I honestly haven't seen anything that really convinces me that this would be successful at all.
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Post by sulla on Mar 4, 2018 3:10:38 GMT
I think a lot of us have a lot of the same questions.
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Post by Mike Smithski on Mar 4, 2018 13:55:22 GMT
So I won't be giving my username, but I am a successful channel that has roughly 600k subs and average 2-6 million views per video. And have some questions I'd like answers to... if I decide to join. Who are the current and future leaders of this union and why? What qualifies one for this position? What benefit do I get? Why do you hate 3rd party funding so much? Where the platform has over 50 million active accounts do you think you'll be able to gather enough people to your group to have any influence at all? Would leaders be willing to sign a written contract that they agree to work exclusively to the benefits of members? There seems to be alot of outrage, and claims of being able to move mountains... But I honestly haven't seen anything that really convinces me that this would be successful at all. I'm not a leader, but I'll try to answer those questions and hopefully shed some light as there's a lot of chaos since it's a new group and all.. Firstly welcome to the cause. Who are the current and future leaders of this union and why?Joerg started this and is in a good position to lead, considering his following on Youtube, experience and age. That being said, Joerg did state this is to be a democratic union so I'm not sure if there is to be 1 leader. Perhaps over time we will develop a core team and that would make sense. Please bear with us. It's only been 2-3 days.
What qualifies for this positionJoerg is certainly qualified for the job but as mentioned above, the core team certainly would need youtube experience, understanding of the issues we face and finally a degree of organizational skills. What benefit do you get Innocent channels have been hit and you might be next, it's nearly impossible to resolve disputes quickly, bots are rampant and AI is not intelligent at all. If we're successful the platform might be saved from dying. Why do you hate 3rd party funding so much?I don't think people hate 3rd party funding. The issue is with censorship and youtubers, despite being the actual content creators, we are at the bottom of the totem pole and are expected to self-censor if we want to get paid for our work. I believe one of the objectives put forward by Joerg is to make advertisers understand that we are creators/partners, that is the content we put out and they have to bear with this. People are leaving traditional media for Youtube because they don't enjoy traditional media. Advertisers no longer benefit from advertising on traditional media which is why they move their money to Youtube. The problem with censorship forced on creators by advertisers is that it started to erode the attractiveness of Youtube and is starting to turn it into traditional media. That is what we're pushing back on. Where the platform has over 50 million active accounts do you think you'll be able to gather enough people to your group to have any influence at all?Define enough? We don't know, but it's a start. In 48 hours we grew to 8000 people. The more guys like you join, and draw their social networks, the bigger this movement will get. So the power is in your hands too, if not more. There seems to be alot of outrage, and claims of being able to move mountains... But I honestly haven't seen anything that really convinces me that this would be successful at all.
It's been two days. Join the movement and give it time to grow, formulate a manifesto, organise and start the push on Yotube execs.
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Post by Joerg Sprave on Mar 4, 2018 14:12:33 GMT
Mike, well said! I'd like to add a few thoughts. I have initiated this community effort and I am willing to lead it for the time being. However, if this really develops, we will have to decide about formal leadership. This is usually done by a vote. But this will take some time. Potential leaders will identify themselves by their activities in the discussions. Then, at some point, we will organize a vote and then go ahead. I am not doing this so I can be the "president" of a union. I would very much like to focus on my beloved YouTube channel and see this here as a duty and not as a career opportunity. I do feel qualified for the job as I am looking back to a long career in executive management. I have worked with and for publicly traded companies and dealt with Google, amazon, Netflix, Panasonic, Sony and many more global players. I think I have a good understanding how these corporations tick. I don't know if we can change things. I honestly don't. But I firmly believe we have a chance. If the press finds us and we get some attention, then we will have a good start. I fully realize some of my wishes (requests, demands...) have little chance to be successful. But other demands have really good chances. Specifically the communication between creators and YouTube, and also I think we can make YouTube disabling the bots from issuing strikes without human confirmation. At least as long as the bots are so dumb and can easily be tricked by concerted mass flaggings of harmless videos. This is how unions work. You come in with bold demands and then you negotiate. Some things you get and others, you don't. Which does not mean that I see all my points as just. One thing I am sure about: If we don't try, then we won't succeed. I guarantee  |
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Post by bigmonmulgrew on Mar 11, 2018 18:00:20 GMT
So I won't be giving my username, but I am a successful channel that has roughly 600k subs and average 2-6 million views per video. And have some questions I'd like answers to... if I decide to join. Who are the current and future leaders of this union and why? What qualifies one for this position? What benefit do I get? Why do you hate 3rd party funding so much? Where the platform has over 50 million active accounts do you think you'll be able to gather enough people to your group to have any influence at all? Would leaders be willing to sign a written contract that they agree to work exclusively to the benefits of members? There seems to be alot of outrage, and claims of being able to move mountains... But I honestly haven't seen anything that really convinces me that this would be successful at all. People keep raising the issue of how many people we need to have any influence as if influence is binary. It isn't. I think if just 1000 of us emailed youtube asking them to add teh option to schedule unpublishing a video I think there is a good chance it would be added. Even if we are too small to influence big changes we can push for little ones, and as the little ones come so does more support and the ability to influence bigger changes. I really think peopel are underestimating the effect of 10 thousand voices though. I'm not sure how asking leaders to sign a contract would even work. I have not seen any discussions of charging union fees or formal membership in fact usually the opposite is stated. You are a member simply by wanting to be a member and you are under no obligation. If that is the case how can we reasonably contract leaders to certain obligations with no way to compensate them for their time spent fillign that role. The internation nature of the union also means it woudl be legaly complex. Perhaps a voluntary code of conduct could crop up at some point, which would be more liek guidelines than contractual obligations. Anyone can move a mountain, you start with the first stone. Once you move the first stone someone else that wanted the mountain moving might come help you. With a small number it might take years but you can still move it, but th emore you move more people see the benefit of moving the mountain and come to help. |
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