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Post by EvilLOON on Mar 29, 2018 22:39:42 GMT
Have no clue where the legality of this would fall, but I am open for information on the subject.
Small channels have been demonetized. We can no longer reach the goal of 100 in order to extract our money. Adsense still has the money we have accrued from Youtube. If they refuse to listen to us, can we sue them for not giving us the option for a payout?
Personally, I just want a grandfather clause. The clause would allow channels created before the rules change to keep their monetization.
I also want youtube to stop making any changes without input from the content creators. Without the content, they wouldn't have any advertisers. They can't say it's because the content is questionable. here in the US, from South Park to the Walking Dead, advertisers will come and support something as long as people watch.
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Post by wrestlingambassador on Mar 29, 2018 23:47:30 GMT
If they are active, then allow the clause sure.
Also let's point out, that during the News in many's of our countries ad's play after "sensitive" topics are reported on.
YouTube did this censorship because they were simply desperate to retain advertising companies and to cover up the fact they f'ed up time and time again.
There's a case here somewhere for sure, but we'll need the funds, correct backing & for it not to be in California where YT's based.
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Post by bigmonmulgrew on Mar 30, 2018 11:49:12 GMT
well collectively we lost about $19 million dollars monthly.
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Post by wrestlingambassador on Mar 30, 2018 18:10:57 GMT
well collectively we lost about $19 million dollars monthly. Where'd you get that figure from? Anyways apparently, YT lost 2BN dollars last year.
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Post by bigmonmulgrew on Mar 30, 2018 21:04:43 GMT
well collectively we lost about $19 million dollars monthly. Where'd you get that figure from? Anyways apparently, YT lost 2BN dollars last year. It's from one of the studies I'm yet to publish looking at some of the figures of YouTube's running costs and revenues. To over simplify since I'm typing on mobile right now, it looked at creators revenues for small channels, there are 5 million channels between one my size and the monetization threshold. I didn't include channels smaller than mine in the calculation. I run a small channel 181 subs. Bearing in mind not all channels are equal, so it's a rough estimate, also there's a lot of smaller channels I didn't consider. But intimately even if every demonetized channel only made $0.01 per month that still represents millions per year. I did the maths not to demonstrate how much YouTube screwed us out of but to demonstrate how much advertising space YouTube deleted. The 19 million was the creators share. YouTube effectively deleted half a billion dollars a years advertising space. To use a physical medium as a comparison. If advertisers are raising concerns about the content of your magazine you don't respond by removing a chunk of the advert pages. You find more advertiser's or you improve the magazine. I've also been looking at video hosting costs. If YouTube were to stick to their core business, the cost for a video view is usually a fraction of the advertising revenue generate. If YouTube are making a loss it's not on their core business .I don't know what they spend it on. It could be mismanagement it could be long term investment it could be projects outside their core business. Either way their core should still be profitable. I'll publish both studies in the near future. I've just been busy with the websites. I notice you have been active here so I'm sure you will spot them when I post them. Just got a few more things to add before I'm ready to publish them.
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Post by wrestlingambassador on Mar 30, 2018 23:24:43 GMT
Very interesting to hear about this man, look forward to reading the published version. As it's something people would prob want to hear about.
YT, answered a reply to that on "Creator Insider" with "It's for future ecosystem on YT". Ironically this is helping to actually kill it off, given how they deleted a billion possible dollars off.
As for the out costs, apparently they have been spending it on either has been/famous people to make shows for them(like Netflix for example). Or burn money on trash like this it seems for it's failed YT Red system.
So that might answer part of the question and yes mismanagement is another reason.
Just one more question, how many partners roughly are there above the monetization threshold, while we're on the topic of it?
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Post by bigmonmulgrew on Mar 31, 2018 13:55:00 GMT
There are around 2 million above the threshhold. I regularly hear the argument that YouTube operates at a loss. I don't remember the figure but I calculated the profit margin on the cost of video hosting vs average revenue per click its somethign stupid like 20,000%
Video hosting is expensive, I'll give them that. But when you divide those costs by the number of views they are tiny.
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Post by John Becket on Apr 1, 2018 22:23:46 GMT
Some points here for consideration - As far as I'm aware, a class action law suit or its like, would require proving a loss / harm had been done. Considering that all YT users have agreed to the terms set out by YT upon creation of a channel, this would pretty much throw out the idea, as no loss could likely be proven, and no harm is being done (YT doesn't harm anyone physically as far as I'm aware).
Non monetised channels have no loss, as they weren't promised anything, and de-monetised channels, have simply had their agreement revoked by YT - something that YT clearly stipulates it can and will do, that every YT channel creator has already agreed to upon "applying" for partnership / a YT channel. Proving any loss here would be highly difficult in my opinion of it.
From the YT partnership agreement FAQ, they clearly stipulate that such things are completely at their discretion, by use of wording like - "If it's determined that your channel is no longer eligible for monetisation, your channel will lose access to all monetisation tools and features associated with the YouTube Partner Programme."
YT has made no claim to offer your channel to the public in a non-biased way, in the YT Partnership agreement, there is no stipulation or clause that grants such things to you, thus currently, they simply do not have to - and you've already agreed to this by agreeing to the terms of the agreement.
One YT channel is not equal to the other - regardless of stats for that channel. One creator will offer content that will be absorbed by millions of people, another will offer content that will be absorbed by nobody. This is akin to posting your advertisements on a main-street billboard, or a bathroom wall. They have every right to make this distinction and act accordingly. It is a fallacy that all YT channels are created equally, and as YT is currently only answerable to the people whom pay them (not the people whom get paid by them), the private companies wishing to utilise the YT platform as a tool to market and advertise - choose to place their advertisements on the billboards, not the bathroom walls, and fair enough too.
If I was a company wishing to use an advertising company (Google), I would expect my money to be well spent, and not ripped off.
The current reality is - that YT / Google does not work for you, it works for money - for profit - and you aren't paying them anything, they are paying you (if you are getting some).
That all being said - I'm completely for renegotiating the partnership agreement with YT in to a form that will best suit all parties for the future to come, just that I don't reasonably expect YT to behave as if they have done something wrong - end of the day, it was each and every creator's responsibility to read their agreement, then choose to agree to it - if people didn't like the terms that they were explicitly agreeing to - they should have spoken up before agreeing, rather than agreeing then complaining as if they never agreed to it!
So yes, I think the current partnership agreement, leaves creators out in the cold for their efforts, however, if I was a company wishing to advertise on the platform (pay your revenue), I would expect my advertisements placed on the channels with the most potential to be seen by my target audience, not just any old channel lucky dip style. Considering that they (the companies advertising) - pay you, and if they weren't there, you wouldn't be getting paid at all, then I would consider them more of a priority than any given channel creator - as I presume YT does as well.
In short - Unbiased placement of advertisements on all channels equally - I highly doubt it. Class action suing for loss - I highly doubt it. YT becoming less strenuous about whom they monetise - I highly doubt it.
Creators negotiating a slightly better agreement (at least better than the current) - I sure hope so.
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Post by RypeDub on Apr 9, 2018 2:09:29 GMT
I have 7 dollars and some change.
I'll never be able to add more into that.
How do I get my payout?
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