solarseraph
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Post by solarseraph on Mar 3, 2018 21:19:37 GMT
Hi All,
As with any organization, structure is key to success. The power of a union is its ability to organize and negotiate on behalf of the collective, and to do that some guidelines need to be established to keep the chaos to a minimum. First, let's have a conversation on this thread, then we can work on solidifying them with the help of Joerg and whoever he chooses to help administrate the Union. Check back every now and then, as the first few posts on this thread will be updated to reflect current questions and their results.
Some things to discuss:
Goals:
*What is the purpose of the Union? *What are some possible misconceptions that the Union does NOT stand for? *What are our demands, and in what priority?
Organization and structure:
*How are businesses, non-profits, or other organizations structured and organized? *What roles and responsibilities need to be filled? -Who makes decisions and provides a unified direction of action to the other members? -Who is in charge of managing public image? *How does a message, video, slogan, etc. become officially endorsed by the Union? *How do we communicate? There's already a Facebook page and group, and probably a Reddit, in addition to this forum. Good organization requires good communication. *In general, how do we keep from being an unruly mob? Chaos is ineffective.
Code of Ethics:
(Joerg has said "The only rule is to be polite." But just like we demand from YouTube, clear definitions are best. Without them, people will keep blurring the line, and that's bad for cooperation.)
*What values do we support as a community, and what behavior is desirable of Union members? *What behavior, speech, or topics are unacceptable in on-topic sub-forums? *How do we report unacceptable behavior up the chain of command? -Who has authority to eject a member of the Union for violations of conduct?
Here is Joerg's original video. I think this should be refined and condensed, but it's the best place to start.
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solarseraph
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Post by solarseraph on Mar 3, 2018 21:19:48 GMT
Reserved for future use
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solarseraph
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Post by solarseraph on Mar 3, 2018 21:20:00 GMT
Reserved for future use
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Post by outdoorjo on Mar 3, 2018 21:39:41 GMT
Great start solarseraph, I'm all for it. I will contribute of course but the questions are deeper than they look and will take a bit of thought. There's is of course always the danger of 'Death by Committee' where every little thing gets discussed to it's molecular level and nothing ever gets done but I think that's easy enough to avoid. I took the tables and chairs out of our board room and locked the coffee machine during meetings, you wouldn't believe how fast things got decided and actioned :-) I jest, but only a little bit, lets not allow the discussion of things become mired is what I'm saying. As for the rest, loving it, its not all good by any means, but it's all necessary, as anyone who's ever been involved with big organisations will verify.
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Post by monikamaier on Mar 3, 2018 21:52:50 GMT
Solarseraph, thanks for all the work you put into this! As a start, I think we should focus on what Jörg already said in his video, which boils down to this: YT should take back all recent changes - No more demonetization or unjustful termination of channels. Transparency. Be careful not to make too many demands or ask for something they can't do. Keep it simple, concise and be respectful. And, by all means, withstand all attempts to bring politics into this union.
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Post by monikamaier on Mar 3, 2018 21:58:27 GMT
I already posted this in the "strategy"-thread, but I feel it also belongs here, since it's also about organisation: A first good start would be a dedicated, official YT-Channel for announcements etc. Then, an official Patreon should be set up to get some money in. Maybe a kickstarter or GoFundMe would also be an option? I have a feeling that some competitors of Google would be quite happy to donate
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Post by sevenbanes on Mar 4, 2018 11:29:35 GMT
The workers and our Union must remove the Greedy, Racist, Biased, Capitalist owners, send them to jail, and take over management. WE ARE CRASHING THIS PLANE WITH NO SURVIVORS
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solarseraph
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Post by solarseraph on Mar 5, 2018 4:39:54 GMT
I jest, but only a little bit, lets not allow the discussion of things become mired is what I'm saying. As for the rest, loving it, its not all good by any means, but it's all necessary, as anyone who's ever been involved with big organisations will verify. I'd like to know - what kind of large organizations have you been a part of? What is your experience level? We need managers, and that's not an easy job. I've worked for the U.S. Federal Government for 3 years, so I know all about Death By Committee, over regulation, and the like. I also have seen how a program will absolutely fail without good management. I'm personally better as a worker bee than a manager, though. Most engineers are.
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Post by solarseraph on Mar 6, 2018 2:22:40 GMT
As a part of "How should we not behave," just to keep us moving the a constructive direction: I hereby entreat the forum gods mods for decently aggressive moderation of off-topic conversation. I would like common users to have a way (official feature or not) of easily flagging a post as off-topic, though not necessarily offensive or otherwise punishable
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solarseraph
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Post by solarseraph on Mar 6, 2018 2:27:07 GMT
And can we PLEASE make a rule that says no political conversation in on-topic sub-forums? I feel like that should be a given, considering how little any politics has to do with our petitioning of YouTube, but I've already seen a ton of bickering these first couple of days.
It's not on-topic, it's not productive, and it doesn't only divides us. We can't afford to be divided.
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Post by gamegoblin on Mar 6, 2018 2:55:12 GMT
I have thought about a potentially viable leadership structure. One of my hobbies for a couple decades was strategy and tactics simulations. As such, when huddled around the battle grid, the others often turned to me to make the most effective use of limited resources for the most gain to achieve an end goal. Difference is, this is reality, and thus not subject to a cascade of charts, and random variables.
However I will detail my initial thoughts here and if it works for Mr. Sprave, he can have at it. If not seen as viable, i'm sure there are other options to consider. After all an end goal is nice and dandy, but without leadership and a plan, things won't work out for very long.
So to start, Mr. Sprave defaults to the role of Head Director, after all he got the ball rolling this time around.
Now to decentralize the power structure, and give him more wiggle room, Below him would be seated various Directors who have specific tasks to help achieve the end goal. With them would also be seated a Lt. Director on standby, in the event of daily interference like working O.T. Family needs, inclement weather, e.t.c. This adds a layer of redundancy to the upper echelons to keep the engine running smoothly. (and also helps considering how many time zones are represented here.)
The Head Director Mr. Sprave and the Directors then make up the seats of power to help guide the rest of us along this journey. The Lt. Directors assist the Director of their specific department so the union activities flow smoother.
A few possible Directorships,
Comm/ops: Communications. With information being critical to our operations, Communications would include various forum moderators, The spreading of legitimate facts, and the squashing of misinformation should the need arise. The secondary role of Communications, which will crop up later, is that of Public Relations. So the Director is going to be the Faceman / Facewoman talking in place of Mr. Sprave should the need arise and/or be the primary liason contacting various media outlets to extend our coverage with the public in an effort to gain more support.
Media: This falls under directing, collating, and distribution of assets to further the unions visible presence. This would be the go to staff for depositing Video intro/outros, Audio clips, and images. They would also be tasked with ensuring the credibility and good taste of such media so that it is within the image of the union as a whole as set forth by Mr. Sprave. If the Media team were to double down, they could also be a prime pick for editorial and advertising, distributing copypasta blocks of text to help members spread the message, as well as take a few tips from Hollywood and produce media (in a small infomercial style format perhaps) to help spread the message.
So right off we would have 3 branches, Directors / Communications / Media. I think this would be a good start to make use of our collective talents and be a viable foundation to build on as needed.
Just my two cents
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Post by coffekanon on Mar 6, 2018 20:07:57 GMT
The workers and our Union must remove the Greedy, Racist, Biased, Capitalist owners, send them to jail, and take over management. WE ARE CRASHING THIS PLANE WITH NO SURVIVORS That's not what a Union does. That's what a communist movement does. There's a difference between workers negotiating better terms with their employer collectively (like a Union) and advocating for nationalisation or seizing the means of production from it's owners (like communists do) A Union doesn't just sign on to get more advantages and benefits for themselves. A Union is also open to adopt responsibilities that their employer demands in return for giving it's employees added benefits.
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