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Post by thorski on Mar 6, 2018 7:50:26 GMT
It's hard to say if something like the dead body could happen again. Cause I know Logan isn't the first to film a dead body, just the first one to act.. uhm.. bad around it.
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Post by Joerg Sprave on Mar 6, 2018 8:18:15 GMT
Well, my stance is absolutely clear.
If YouTube does not want dead bodies to be shown, then they need to put this in the rules. Currently this isn't the case. The rules mention "shocking" content, but that is a highly individual term. To someone who works as an untertaker, a dead body isn't very shocking - but maybe a boy picking his nose in public is.
The CNNs are allowed to show dead bodies, right on YouTube. Normal YouTubers aren't. I hate that.
Clear rules that are enforced by the books is what I want. No exceptions for large channels or professional networks.
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Post by thorski on Mar 6, 2018 8:32:00 GMT
The CNNs are allowed to show dead bodies, right on YouTube. Normal YouTubers aren't. I hate that. Clear rules that are enforced by the books is what I want. No exceptions for large channels or professional networks. And I can understand that on every aspect, and youtube once had an restriction for kids under 18 so if you were about to watch something "bad" then it would tell you. But it didn't restrict all the way. But I also don't want dead bodies showing up on Youtube, unless it's in a science channel. That might exclude a lot of people, but dead people aren't jokes. They were real humans like you and me, they deserve the right to not be shown on Youtube. |
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Post by sulla on Mar 6, 2018 9:20:44 GMT
The Logan Paul incident is a good example of what I have mentioned in other threads. When the Union gets larger we will be forced to take a stand on this kind of thing. Do we back Paul or Youtube? We are forced to make a judgement on if his content fits in the rules. We have to make a judgement on if Youtube is being fair and even handed in applying the rules. And we have to make a choice if his fight is one we want to join in or pick another one.
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Post by geobelmont on Mar 6, 2018 10:59:38 GMT
We need to realize that youtube can be fair in some cases. I think youtube was pretty fair with how they dealt with logan paul (I know...feels weird saying that...) And logan paul and that whole dead animal thing, he was asking for more trouble
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Post by Joerg Sprave on Mar 6, 2018 11:27:11 GMT
I don't think we will ever be powerful enough to have a say in individual cases. And I have no intention of going there. I want to change some basic policies and make YouTube improving their communication with the creators.
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Post by maximgunn on Mar 6, 2018 17:01:19 GMT
Personally I don't think he did anything wrong and I can't understand the hysteria that surrounds it. People are looking at this like he had something to do with this guy's death when all he did was find his body some time later.
If it's no longer socially acceptable to film the aftermath of tragedies, surely we must make pariahs of war correspondents and journalists that document natural disasters too.
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Post by Joerg Sprave on Mar 6, 2018 17:21:18 GMT
Well, it was a bit over the top to make fun about dead people, specifically suicide cases. In my book decent behavior looks different. But the guy is a young buck and has a lot to learn still. But I also think the hype was exaggerated.
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Post by sulla on Mar 6, 2018 20:15:57 GMT
I don't think we will ever be powerful enough to have a say in individual cases. And I have no intention of going there. I want to change some basic policies and make YouTube improving their communication with the creators. Oh that is interesting I assumed you would want to back selective cases that would help the union. But to be clear and hopefully this does not come of as rude as I am just curios. If Youtube does something unfair to you again you would not want the Union to help you? Or who ever else ends up being leaders of the Union they will not get special help if Youtube does something unfair to them? |
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Post by Joerg Sprave on Mar 6, 2018 21:32:10 GMT
I am in a much more convenient situation than most because I have a pretty big reach. If I put out a video, explaining an unfair situation YouTube puts me in, it feels like the whole internet comes to my aid. This is actually one of the reasons why I think a larger YouTuber had to initiate this Union - it is clear that I am not applying selfish tactics here. I don't need a Union as much as the whole mass of smaller YouTubers out there.
I am undecided how I would personally react to individual incidents. I guess it would depend on the case. But for now our main focus should be the GENERAL policies of YouTube. As long as those are clearly wrong, ALL individual cases will be in disarray.
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Post by wrestlingambassador on Mar 7, 2018 4:31:59 GMT
Logan Paul should be already of the site, as I'm sure that having featuring making light of dead bodies, tasering dead animals & making look like he was killed='s 3 strikes doesn't it?
But nope, clearly in order to fully transfer to YouTube from then Vine years ago. He and others was offered some sort of special deal.
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Post by maximgunn on Mar 7, 2018 5:19:15 GMT
A little early for a purity spiral isn't it? That's what started this pearl-clutching band-wagon in the first place.
You know, if I'd done that and I was making my 'apology video', it would go like this...
...In the west we have this thing called 'gallows humor', it helps us deal with stressful situations. I think anyone that criticizes me in this situation is being racially ignorant and culturally insensitive. It was possibly a way we coped when my ancestors, millions of Caucasians from France and the British Isles were taken as slaves to Africa. If you'd like to send your apologies and reparations, I've got a link to my patreon below...
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Post by sulla on Mar 7, 2018 6:37:11 GMT
I am in a much more convenient situation than most because I have a pretty big reach. If I put out a video, explaining an unfair situation YouTube puts me in, it feels like the whole internet comes to my aid. This is actually one of the reasons why I think a larger YouTuber had to initiate this Union - it is clear that I am not applying selfish tactics here. I don't need a Union as much as the whole mass of smaller YouTubers out there. I am undecided how I would personally react to individual incidents. I guess it would depend on the case. But for now our main focus should be the GENERAL policies of YouTube. As long as those are clearly wrong, ALL individual cases will be in disarray. I did not mean to suggest you are doing this just for selfish tactics. Its just your the only big name can clear leader so natural way to ask the question. It was about the general what if more so than you. Thanks for clarifying the groups goals as you see them. |
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Post by ramshaka on Mar 7, 2018 10:19:00 GMT
I take particular issue with something like the Logan Paul affair, that offense having little to nothing to do with Youtube, who I certainly agree should have very clear guidelines as to why this type of content isn't acceptable.
It isn't an issue of being "shocked", or some sort of general disgust over a joke, or a dead body. Rather, where my concern lies, is in preserving the rights of the person that can't consent to being used as a 'shock video' prop, and obviously their families. In a sense, I look at it the same way I look at folks having sex with animals. My concern lies in the matter of the implicit lack of consent from one party.
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Post by bigmonmulgrew on Mar 7, 2018 10:29:19 GMT
I think part of our solution needs to be seperating Youtube from its creators in terms of who is held accountable for content, both legally and morally. If there was the distinction that youtube is not responsible then all the bad press would fall on a bad creator. Advertisers would remove add form a bad creator etc. As it stands at the moment any time anyone does anything judged to be bad, Youtube gets the blame. Youtube needs the protection afforded other media and communication carriers. You don't blame the phone company when you get crank calls, or report teh post man if you recieve offensive mail.
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