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Post by olorin on Mar 3, 2018 16:35:05 GMT
As we allready talk about YT Variants as a platform, i wanted to talk about it and tell you where i actually see the problem with this idea.
Many People think, that if we just switch the platform we can put pressure on YT!
Well basicly it is possible to put pressure on YT by just changing the platform, but this will not work yet!
Let me explain why.
1. Since yet there arent really some Variants that make it possible for creators to make money with other platforms.
2. There are still much much more viewers and Creators on YT.
Point 2 is the most important thing. Even if the big Creators like Pewdiepie or DudePerfect would switch the platform. Nothing would actually change for YT itself.
Sure they would lost some views for those 2 channels no question about it. But the Users are still there and the User created the views and the money for YT.
As long as YT still make money with the clicks, they will not change anything that come close to our goals, because the majority is still there.
That is the main problem the majority, as long as they dont want to have the change nothing will happen. So we have to grow extremly to put pressure on YT and not just switch the platform.
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Post by crul on Mar 3, 2018 16:44:03 GMT
I agree and I want to add two nuances:
Focusing on the "switch platform strategy", if we are large enough maybe a YT competitor will see an opportunity and make a good offer.
In general, everything about this topic is a matter of degree, the more we are, the larger the leverage we will have with any strategy we go for. But you're right and different strategies may have different size thresholds to be effective. I really don't know, this is too complex for me to have a hard opinion.
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Post by olorin on Mar 3, 2018 16:52:57 GMT
Exactly, we need to grow to do something. But like i allready seen on FB, many people life in the illusion we will automaticly grow if we just adding some big Creators.
Sure big Creators will spread the message fast, no question about it. But as long the subscriber doesnt follow us and our goals too, nothing will change. But most of the Viewers/Subscribers are just consumer.
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Post by unluckyeddy on Mar 3, 2018 17:02:06 GMT
Sadly there isn't another platform that can match YT at the moment either.
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Post by Mike Smithski on Mar 3, 2018 17:23:16 GMT
Sadly there isn't another platform that can match YT at the moment either. in what terms Eddy? I think there are platforms out there that have everything and more, but the viewership.
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Post by olorin on Mar 3, 2018 17:38:18 GMT
Mike Smithski witch platforms you actually talking about, that can actually match with youtube.
Isnt this group all about the fair use of Youtube and to earn some money with it?
With that in my mind, which alternatives are there actually? FB? Yeah sure! Twitch?
Honestly, sure Joerg and other could use things like Patreon to rais some money with it. But honestly of the 2 mil Subscribers of him less then 1% would even pay for it.
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Post by mgedawn on Mar 3, 2018 17:48:18 GMT
The first step in any movement that aims to bring about change is always to spread the word, though...
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Post by sleekstrike on Mar 3, 2018 17:48:25 GMT
Mike Smithski witch platforms you actually talking about, that can actually match with youtube. Isnt this group all about the fair use of Youtube and to earn some money with it? With that in my mind, which alternatives are there actually? FB? Yeah sure! Twitch? Honestly, sure Joerg and other could use things like Patreon to rais some money with it. But honestly of the 2 mil Subscribers of him less then 1% would even pay for it. As far as alternatives are concerned, there can be many especially with the use of disruptive Blockchain technology. Consider Viewly view.ly/.
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Post by ramshaka on Mar 3, 2018 18:38:11 GMT
Personally, I see the problem with switching to variants being what is effectively ignoring the core issue. Youtube went on for several years, devoid of the issues it's now struggling with, and now that it has been beset with these issues, we're effectively talking about starting over, with a smaller variant site. While that's a potential "quick fix" for things, the very same issues will only arise within the new platform, as it starts to gt the added attention, and ad dollars.
Perhaps it's true that Youtube is already lost too though. It's certainly been going down this path for a while, and I'm not sure how far is too far. Of course though, I miss the old days when it was all webcams, people getting their own internet platform was a novel idea, and no one ever dreamed you could make a living with it. But that's just me pining for 'glory days' like a Springsteen song, or some such nonsense.
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Post by Mike Smithski on Mar 3, 2018 18:45:31 GMT
Mike Smithski witch platforms you actually talking about, that can actually match with youtube. Isnt this group all about the fair use of Youtube and to earn some money with it? With that in my mind, which alternatives are there actually? FB? Yeah sure! Twitch? Honestly, sure Joerg and other could use things like Patreon to rais some money with it. But honestly of the 2 mil Subscribers of him less then 1% would even pay for it. Here's a short list that I'll continue editing to add suggested sites. youtubersunion.freeforums.net/thread/60/youtube-alternativesThe point of the post is to learn what's out there. Step one of the campaign, as I understand it, is to put pressure on Youtube and having a list of alternative platforms in had is a great bargaining chip. Step two, if I understand correctly, assuming all else fails will be to move our viewers to another platform in an organised manner. I doubt it will come to that and I certainly hope it won't but we must consider this as an option if we are to be taken seriously by YT execs.
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Post by Mike Smithski on Mar 3, 2018 18:48:09 GMT
Personally, I see the problem with switching to variants being what is effectively ignoring the core issue. Youtube went on for several years, devoid of the issues it's now struggling with, and now that it has been beset with these issues, we're effectively talking about starting over, with a smaller variant site. While that's a potential "quick fix" for things, the very same issues will only arise within the new platform, as it starts to gt the added attention, and ad dollars. Perhaps it's true that Youtube is already lost too though. It's certainly been going down this path for a while, and I'm not sure how far is too far. Of course though, I miss the old days when it was all webcams, people getting their own internet platform was a novel idea, and no one ever dreamed you could make a living with it. But that's just me pining for 'glory days' like a Springsteen song, or some such nonsense. Don't be so dramatic and negative. Other platforms have fallen in the past, people moved elsewhere and advertisers followed.
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Post by Mike Smithski on Mar 3, 2018 18:50:03 GMT
As far as alternatives are concerned, there can be many especially with the use of disruptive Blockchain technology. Consider Viewly view.ly/. Please add to this thread and review it. If it's not running and serving customers it's not going onto the list and is considered spam of a token pre-sale. youtubersunion.freeforums.net/thread/60/youtube-alternatives
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Post by olorin on Mar 3, 2018 18:56:59 GMT
Here's a short list that I'll continue editing to add suggested sites. youtubersunion.freeforums.net/thread/60/youtube-alternativesThe point of the post is to learn what's out there. Step one of the campaign, as I understand it, is to put pressure on Youtube and having a list of alternative platforms in had is a great bargaining chip. Step two, if I understand correctly, assuming all else fails will be to move our viewers to another platform in an organised manner. I doubt it will come to that and I certainly hope it won't but we must consider this as an option if we are to be taken seriously by YT execs. I seen the list my Friend. Of course it is an option, i wouldnt doubt this. but this should be the last solution. Also how we can put pressure on YT by just knowing that there are options? They now that, too and what possibility those sites have?! We need to mobilise each and everyone. If just we move nothing will happen my friend.
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Post by Mike Smithski on Mar 3, 2018 19:01:02 GMT
I seen the list my Friend. Of course it is an option, i wouldnt doubt this. but this should be the last solution. Also how we can put pressure on YT by just knowing that there are options? They now that, too and what possibility those sites have?! We need to mobilise each and everyone. If just we move nothing will happen my friend. I suggest no holds barred. Let's attack from all angles. There certainly are enough small Youtubers who don't make any money who can start on a different platform instead of Youtube. This doesn't necessarily need to be a short term process.
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Post by olorin on Mar 3, 2018 19:09:45 GMT
Well let's attrack from all angles can be a suicide mission my friend. We dont even have yet any idea/Plan what we actually can do or will do right? The only thing we know since yet and we all agree is to rais the numbers, if im not wrong. Since yet we are still in the orientation phase and we still have to find a way where we all will be happy with it.
But i have to say, sure there are small Creators who doesnt make money of it or doesnt want to make money with it. But this also mean, they arent really included in this game at least, only partial. Sure if they get banned for nothing it's defently bullshit, but in case of the demoniterze game they are out of it.
Oh and before i forget. Of course every idea is at least good to bring our dream further. But we also have to see both sides always, not only one side. Many saying, Yeah if nothing works we leave, without thinking about what this can mean. Same with Let's add Creator x/y without understanding that this is still just 1 person!
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