After 48 hours, our movement is off to a great start. We have almost 8000 members now, with an estimated 20 million subscribers combined. Wow! Next week we will decide upon the next steps. I think we first have to inform YouTube about our existence, like a formal introduction. Then we will take it from there. I admit I was a bit overwhelmed by all the posts that came in, so I turned of unmoderated posting at least for a while and created a discussion forum instead. It already has over 100 discussion threads - impossible to manage that many topics in a Facebook group. I encourage you to join! youtubersunion.freeforums.net/ In case you have posted something here and it didn't show up, it probably still is in the review folder. So much to do. May I ask you to repost it into the forum? Thanks. Several people have requested rules here and on the forum. I only have one rule: Stay polite. You may discuss whatever you want (as long as it is legal), but please no aggression, no insults and so on. We are all fellow members here and I insist on a civilized communication style. Here are some things you could do until then: - Anyone here into web design and willing to make a homepage for us? That'd be great. Just send an email to firstname.lastname@example.org in case you are interested. - Please keep spreading the word. Ask your favorite YouTubers to join. Post our links into discussion forums and other communities.
My fellow Union members, we are now almost 9000! A bit more and we will be at the magical 10k threshold. The forum at youtubersunion.freeforums.net/ is extremely active, over 600 posts already. I encourage you to join us there! In addition to that, fellow union member David Mulgrew is working on our website, which will be online soon @ www.youtubersunion.org. We also have a subreddit now, although it is just starting - at www.reddit.com/r/YTunion/, and I also started our own channel at www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpfBJwYmwJw - soon I will upload another more condensed video with our demands. Progress! United we stand.
Daily Update Dear fellow Union members, great news: The first version of our website is online! www.youtubersunion.org Please visit, take part in the querry and share the link, so the search engines will easily find us.
Very soon we will have 10k members! Then I think it is time to officially notify YouTube, combined with a polite but determined request to start a conversation. Please discuss all this with me at our highly active forum (more than 700 posts already) at youtubersunion.freeforums.net/.
Just gave another interview! I think we will see some serious press coverage soon.
I will go to a trade show (the IWA in Nuremburg) tomorrow, back on Tuesday. Should you be there, meet me at the FXAirguns booth! I will check my messages of course, but won't be as active here and on the forum as I usually am. Please keep up the discussions and spread the word! Remember our 10k goal isn't far... then I will compose an (open) letter of introduction to YouTube, asking them to engage in discussions with us. Then they will either have to get back to us or endure the pressure applied by the press and the web. Ha!
Fellow members, wow, what a post! 1200+ likes, almost 200 comments and 52 shares. Must be the most successful thing I ever put on Facebook.
I'd like to clarify a few things.
First, it is great that YT acknowledged us so soon. That in itself is a success! I expected them to try sitting this out, stoically, as per usual. Second, several people think that YouTube will now try to "buy me out". Well, this is not "Braveheart", and YouTube can't offer me any knighthoods and castles Seriously, I can't be bought, and I don't think YT will try that. They'd send a counselor, not a "monetization expert", if they wanted to negotiate. I believe that the "expert" will simply try to explain things to me. He will say that it all isn't so bad, the bots are learning, new mods made a few errors and so forth. I would be VERY surprised if he comes with ANYTHING to offer. It will be all blah-blah, make no mistake. This is very normal for early stages of a newly started union. Even new "rounds" between employers and long established unions always start like that. The employers explain that there really isn't any money to give to the workers, even though it may look otherwise on paper. The economy will soon go down the tubes and there is bad news ahead, blah blah blah. Prelude talk, is all. Our fight is off to a good start, but it is by no means over. We need to grow in numbers and we need to focus. It is looking good on that behalf. We are getting attention. Several press articles have been released by now. I have given a radio interview yesterday and the first TV people will show up this week too. All of them expressed concern that this union may be "taken over" by extremists soon. I'd like to point out that this union has NO explicit political stance. We are here to correct things at YouTube. I am all for free speech, but this isn't the place for general political debates. The forum has an off topic part, and I will move all and any discussion that isn't related to our task to that place. Let us fight these battles together, no matter what. We can do it.
Can someone please contact Jorg on Facebook and ask him to add one very simple question - Why is Youtube not reviewing/monetizing new channels since November 2017? What are they waiting for? They left hundreds of new channels who completed the requirement in limbo.
Leo Wattenberg is what I call a "YouTube claqueur". He basically applauds everything YouTube/Google does. Last time I met him (in SF at YT's HQ), he was all for giving rewards to mass flaggers. Now he believes that our Union is just a "knee jerk" reaction.
Even though his own channel just has a whopping 96 subscribers and 3600 views (wow), he believes he is qualified to downplay our efforts. YouTube loves him though as he spends his time writing wise butt comments on YouTube's forums.
I'd like to encourage you guys to hop on that forum and let Leo know what YOU think about his judgments. That will give YouTube a taste of what they are up against.
Leo Wattenberg dislikes that he got so much heat from you guys. He feels harassed. Here is my answer. A bit emotional but heart felt. ----------------------------------------------------------- You started it. If you don't want people to disagree with you, then stop posting provocative statements.
I don't care how many certifications you got. You aren't a YouTube partner, at least not as a creator, and you obviously lack the empathy to put yourself into our shoes. You don't know how it is when your heart starts beating hard every time your phone buzzes, because you are afraid this will be one more YouTube automated message that one of your videos has been removed. You don't know how it feels to open the video manager and see lots of new "yellow" dollar signs. You don't know how it feels to be afraid of opening your YT dashboard, because you know you will look at the ever southwards directed income curve. You don't know how it feels how degrading it is to ask your audience for a dollar a month so you can pay your bills, as you quit your job because the YT income was once high and stable enough to go for it. You don't know how it feels to be kicked out of a partnership because you don't have enough subs, even if you have plenty of views. You don't know how it it feels when your video, after so many hours of work, is simply demonetized, deleted and marked as "unsuitable", simply because some bot didn't like it very much.
You don't know how it feels to depend on a company that calls you a "partner", but in fact simply kicks you around, never available for talks, always anonymous, changing its mind all the time without warnings.
So go ahead and keep applauding everything YouTube does. But here is one piece of advice, from a man more than twice your age. After you got your degree, find a DECENT employer. Or else you may one day look back at your posts here and then you may finally understand our point.
Post by wrestlingambassador on Mar 20, 2018 1:24:31 GMT
Leo's the kind of guy, who can dish it out but he simply can't counter something or doesn't reply to if it's logical response. There's many examples of this on Creator Insiders YouTube channel.
Fanboys why him, is one of many reasons why YT's in this state currently. Wonder if he'll still butt kissing, once the site goes belly up in 2-4 years, like the YouTube Creator Community did recently. I noticed he was very silent on this topic and that's what he really outta be doing is to be quiet.
This group is for helping people, so Leo either be part of the solution or hush ok?
Have you read the comments, they are far more revealing than the article itself
Mountains can be moved. You just have to move the first stone, soon someone else who wants the mountian moved will join you. Eventually everyone sees the benefit of moving the mountian and many hands make light work. Do not be afraid to move the first stone. Any task is only impossible if no one moves the first stone. www.YouTube.com/user/bigmonmulgrew
Thanks for expressing your opinion about Leo Wattenberg's post on that self proclaimed "Creators Hub" forum. They now try to silence me by hiding my posts (you can see a screenshot here), but that only underlines the fact that we hit them where it hurts: Telling them the truth. [UPDATE: The admin apologized for that, he says it was just a bot decision] Do you realize that this was the first official action the YouTubers Union took? We turned a fanboy forum into a hothouse. Look how the thread performed in comparison to their normal content. This is certainly a valuable tool. We can focus on such discussions. If someone googles that guy, he will be directed to this post of him... reading what WE think about the affair. With such force and dedication, we can achieve much, I am sure. My next post will be a report of the VC with that Global Head at YouTube. United we stand!
Talk to YouTube has been shifted a week, to the 28th. They say this is because of my extensive question list. Well, if this means they are willing to go through all of the points in detail, then I am OK with that. I asked them to make it 60 mins instead of the original 30 mins so we won't run out of time.